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		<title>By: amuse</title>
		<link>http://shopsavvy.mobi/2009/11/25/scanning-head-to-head/#comment-2360</link>
		<dc:creator>amuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our current release was sent to 100 beta testers, many of whom provided VERY detailed feedback that made it clear that our barcode scanning feature could use improvement.  First, we didn’t provide any sort of scanning hints – i.e. guides, arrows or pointers.  Second, our scanning technology supports both legacy non-AF camera such as the ones found on the G2 and G3 as well as the newer AF camera found on the 3GS.  We are going to submit a new version on Tuesday that should help resolve many of the scanning issues by including scanning hints and a different library for the AF cameras found on 3GS.  In the meantime, I figured it might be smart to explain how to scan a barcode using ShopSavvy Version 1.0:

    * Light. The most important thing is to scan in a well lit area.  Most of the time we find that scanning problems are related to low light.  Make sure there is plenty of light.
    * Hold it Still. Try not to shake. Try to hold at least one of the items perfectly still.  This is especially true on the 3GS because you need focus to scan. (the update should reduce this problem because it will be 90% faster)
    * Glare. Of course in well lit areas there is often glare caused by bright overhead lights.  This is especially true on high gloss items.  Make sure the glare is not over the black lines of the barcode.
    * Shadows. Just as glare hides the barcode from our view, shadows can prevent ShopSavvy from scanning your barcode.  Make sure there are no shadows over the barcode.
    * Alignment. Try to hold the item at the same angle you are holding the phone.  The more angle between the barcode and the phone the longer a scan will take.
    * Double Barcodes. Sometimes, expecially on books, there are two barcodes next to each other.  Often the UPC is the bigger barcode on the left and the smaller barcode on the right is the ’suggested retail price code’.  If you include both on the screen ShopSavvy can get confused.  Try to ONLY include the bigger UPC barcode.  (the update will mitigate this issue by filtering out the small barcode)
    * Proximity. Try holding the scanner pretty far away and SLOWLY move closer until the item scans.  Once you get the hang of the right distance you won’t need to do this, just hold it at the approximate distance and you should be good to go.  But don’t move in and out – try to keep the item at a single distance for a period of time, maybe a second or two. (the update will provide hints to make this easier)
    * Item Selection. Don’t try to scan food items.  First, they don’t have great coverage and at the end of the day price comparison isn’t important on bottled water.  Second, the barcodes are often on curved surfaces and ShopSavvy has problems with curves. (the update will work better on curved surfaces)
    * Focus (3GS). Since you have an auto-focus camera the barcode MUST be in focus.  (the update will make this easier)
    * Focus (2G/3G). Since you have don’t have a focusable camera – don’t worry that the camera is out
    * of focus – it will still work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our current release was sent to 100 beta testers, many of whom provided VERY detailed feedback that made it clear that our barcode scanning feature could use improvement.  First, we didn’t provide any sort of scanning hints – i.e. guides, arrows or pointers.  Second, our scanning technology supports both legacy non-AF camera such as the ones found on the G2 and G3 as well as the newer AF camera found on the 3GS.  We are going to submit a new version on Tuesday that should help resolve many of the scanning issues by including scanning hints and a different library for the AF cameras found on 3GS.  In the meantime, I figured it might be smart to explain how to scan a barcode using ShopSavvy Version 1.0:</p>
<p>    * Light. The most important thing is to scan in a well lit area.  Most of the time we find that scanning problems are related to low light.  Make sure there is plenty of light.<br />
    * Hold it Still. Try not to shake. Try to hold at least one of the items perfectly still.  This is especially true on the 3GS because you need focus to scan. (the update should reduce this problem because it will be 90% faster)<br />
    * Glare. Of course in well lit areas there is often glare caused by bright overhead lights.  This is especially true on high gloss items.  Make sure the glare is not over the black lines of the barcode.<br />
    * Shadows. Just as glare hides the barcode from our view, shadows can prevent ShopSavvy from scanning your barcode.  Make sure there are no shadows over the barcode.<br />
    * Alignment. Try to hold the item at the same angle you are holding the phone.  The more angle between the barcode and the phone the longer a scan will take.<br />
    * Double Barcodes. Sometimes, expecially on books, there are two barcodes next to each other.  Often the UPC is the bigger barcode on the left and the smaller barcode on the right is the ’suggested retail price code’.  If you include both on the screen ShopSavvy can get confused.  Try to ONLY include the bigger UPC barcode.  (the update will mitigate this issue by filtering out the small barcode)<br />
    * Proximity. Try holding the scanner pretty far away and SLOWLY move closer until the item scans.  Once you get the hang of the right distance you won’t need to do this, just hold it at the approximate distance and you should be good to go.  But don’t move in and out – try to keep the item at a single distance for a period of time, maybe a second or two. (the update will provide hints to make this easier)<br />
    * Item Selection. Don’t try to scan food items.  First, they don’t have great coverage and at the end of the day price comparison isn’t important on bottled water.  Second, the barcodes are often on curved surfaces and ShopSavvy has problems with curves. (the update will work better on curved surfaces)<br />
    * Focus (3GS). Since you have an auto-focus camera the barcode MUST be in focus.  (the update will make this easier)<br />
    * Focus (2G/3G). Since you have don’t have a focusable camera – don’t worry that the camera is out<br />
    * of focus – it will still work.</p>
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		<title>By: amuse</title>
		<link>http://shopsavvy.mobi/2009/11/25/scanning-head-to-head/#comment-2359</link>
		<dc:creator>amuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our version 1.2 scanner (coming out in the next week or so) should be a lot faster.  Our current release was sent to 100 beta testers, many of whom provided VERY detailed feedback that made it clear that our barcode scanning feature could use improvement.  First, we didn’t provide any sort of scanning hints – i.e. guides, arrows or pointers.  Second, our scanning technology supports both legacy non-AF camera such as the ones found on the G2 and G3 as well as the newer AF camera found on the 3GS.  We are going to submit a new version on Tuesday that should help resolve many of the scanning issues by including scanning hints and a different library for the AF cameras found on 3GS.  In the meantime, I figured it might be smart to explain how to scan a barcode using ShopSavvy Version 1.0:

    * Light. The most important thing is to scan in a well lit area.  Most of the time we find that scanning problems are related to low light.  Make sure there is plenty of light.
    * Hold it Still. Try not to shake. Try to hold at least one of the items perfectly still.  This is especially true on the 3GS because you need focus to scan. (the update should reduce this problem because it will be 90% faster)
    * Glare. Of course in well lit areas there is often glare caused by bright overhead lights.  This is especially true on high gloss items.  Make sure the glare is not over the black lines of the barcode.
    * Shadows. Just as glare hides the barcode from our view, shadows can prevent ShopSavvy from scanning your barcode.  Make sure there are no shadows over the barcode.
    * Alignment. Try to hold the item at the same angle you are holding the phone.  The more angle between the barcode and the phone the longer a scan will take.
    * Double Barcodes. Sometimes, expecially on books, there are two barcodes next to each other.  Often the UPC is the bigger barcode on the left and the smaller barcode on the right is the ’suggested retail price code’.  If you include both on the screen ShopSavvy can get confused.  Try to ONLY include the bigger UPC barcode.  (the update will mitigate this issue by filtering out the small barcode)
    * Proximity. Try holding the scanner pretty far away and SLOWLY move closer until the item scans.  Once you get the hang of the right distance you won’t need to do this, just hold it at the approximate distance and you should be good to go.  But don’t move in and out – try to keep the item at a single distance for a period of time, maybe a second or two. (the update will provide hints to make this easier)
    * Item Selection. Don’t try to scan food items.  First, they don’t have great coverage and at the end of the day price comparison isn’t important on bottled water.  Second, the barcodes are often on curved surfaces and ShopSavvy has problems with curves. (the update will work better on curved surfaces)
    * Focus (3GS). Since you have an auto-focus camera the barcode MUST be in focus.  (the update will make this easier)
    * Focus (2G/3G). Since you have don’t have a focusable camera – don’t worry that the camera is out
    * of focus – it will still work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our version 1.2 scanner (coming out in the next week or so) should be a lot faster.  Our current release was sent to 100 beta testers, many of whom provided VERY detailed feedback that made it clear that our barcode scanning feature could use improvement.  First, we didn’t provide any sort of scanning hints – i.e. guides, arrows or pointers.  Second, our scanning technology supports both legacy non-AF camera such as the ones found on the G2 and G3 as well as the newer AF camera found on the 3GS.  We are going to submit a new version on Tuesday that should help resolve many of the scanning issues by including scanning hints and a different library for the AF cameras found on 3GS.  In the meantime, I figured it might be smart to explain how to scan a barcode using ShopSavvy Version 1.0:</p>
<p>    * Light. The most important thing is to scan in a well lit area.  Most of the time we find that scanning problems are related to low light.  Make sure there is plenty of light.<br />
    * Hold it Still. Try not to shake. Try to hold at least one of the items perfectly still.  This is especially true on the 3GS because you need focus to scan. (the update should reduce this problem because it will be 90% faster)<br />
    * Glare. Of course in well lit areas there is often glare caused by bright overhead lights.  This is especially true on high gloss items.  Make sure the glare is not over the black lines of the barcode.<br />
    * Shadows. Just as glare hides the barcode from our view, shadows can prevent ShopSavvy from scanning your barcode.  Make sure there are no shadows over the barcode.<br />
    * Alignment. Try to hold the item at the same angle you are holding the phone.  The more angle between the barcode and the phone the longer a scan will take.<br />
    * Double Barcodes. Sometimes, expecially on books, there are two barcodes next to each other.  Often the UPC is the bigger barcode on the left and the smaller barcode on the right is the ’suggested retail price code’.  If you include both on the screen ShopSavvy can get confused.  Try to ONLY include the bigger UPC barcode.  (the update will mitigate this issue by filtering out the small barcode)<br />
    * Proximity. Try holding the scanner pretty far away and SLOWLY move closer until the item scans.  Once you get the hang of the right distance you won’t need to do this, just hold it at the approximate distance and you should be good to go.  But don’t move in and out – try to keep the item at a single distance for a period of time, maybe a second or two. (the update will provide hints to make this easier)<br />
    * Item Selection. Don’t try to scan food items.  First, they don’t have great coverage and at the end of the day price comparison isn’t important on bottled water.  Second, the barcodes are often on curved surfaces and ShopSavvy has problems with curves. (the update will work better on curved surfaces)<br />
    * Focus (3GS). Since you have an auto-focus camera the barcode MUST be in focus.  (the update will make this easier)<br />
    * Focus (2G/3G). Since you have don’t have a focusable camera – don’t worry that the camera is out<br />
    * of focus – it will still work.</p>
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		<title>By: EnTerr</title>
		<link>http://shopsavvy.mobi/2009/11/25/scanning-head-to-head/#comment-2358</link>
		<dc:creator>EnTerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One barcode does not a trend make&quot; :-)
I&#039;ve tried scanning quite a few UPCs with three of the iPhone apps and i can tell you for each of the apps there are barcodes which are hard or impossible to scan and yet another of the apps can read it. So a video of someone unable to scan a particular UPC with one app is hella biased.

What is more interesting is how do they perform on average when scanning a multitude of items. Your post made me curious to try and measure that and i did some experiments, and here is what i got: I took sample of 10 DVDs and 10 books and timed scanning each batch with each application, in same light conditions - three times each and taking the best, the results are:

- pic2shop: 160 sec (10 DVDs), 170 sec (10 books)

- RedLaser: 366 sec, 444 sec

- ShopSavvy: 220 sec, 250 sec

So comparing to ShopSavvy, pic2shop is 30% faster and RedLaser is 72% slower. The reason for RL slowness is not the barcode scanning but the server access for product info - it&#039;s blocking call and one has to wait for the information to get back or kill the app. Their server is slow or overloaded - otherwise RL was probably reading barcodes faster than the others.

In addition, most surprising was RL&#039;s behavior of repetitively crashing at each 5th consecutive scan (usually. sometimes on the 4th time or sometimes the scan screen will be screwed up - looks like running out of memory). WTF, shame on Occipital - this is not release quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One barcode does not a trend make&#8221; <img src='http://shopsavvy.mobi/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I&#8217;ve tried scanning quite a few UPCs with three of the iPhone apps and i can tell you for each of the apps there are barcodes which are hard or impossible to scan and yet another of the apps can read it. So a video of someone unable to scan a particular UPC with one app is hella biased.</p>
<p>What is more interesting is how do they perform on average when scanning a multitude of items. Your post made me curious to try and measure that and i did some experiments, and here is what i got: I took sample of 10 DVDs and 10 books and timed scanning each batch with each application, in same light conditions &#8211; three times each and taking the best, the results are:</p>
<p>- pic2shop: 160 sec (10 DVDs), 170 sec (10 books)</p>
<p>- RedLaser: 366 sec, 444 sec</p>
<p>- ShopSavvy: 220 sec, 250 sec</p>
<p>So comparing to ShopSavvy, pic2shop is 30% faster and RedLaser is 72% slower. The reason for RL slowness is not the barcode scanning but the server access for product info &#8211; it&#8217;s blocking call and one has to wait for the information to get back or kill the app. Their server is slow or overloaded &#8211; otherwise RL was probably reading barcodes faster than the others.</p>
<p>In addition, most surprising was RL&#8217;s behavior of repetitively crashing at each 5th consecutive scan (usually. sometimes on the 4th time or sometimes the scan screen will be screwed up &#8211; looks like running out of memory). WTF, shame on Occipital &#8211; this is not release quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://shopsavvy.mobi/2009/11/25/scanning-head-to-head/#comment-2357</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent! I love shop savvy, the price, the interface, and the potential, so its good to hear the the scanning speed is going to be improved. I&#039;d been using that particular &quot;other scanner&quot; since it came out for the jailbreak community, and was disappointed to see it wasn&#039;t free. Sadly for me as well (and I think there&#039;s a consensus in the appstore reviews on this), Shopsavvy doesn&#039;t seem to scan things nearly as well as the other one. I think part of it is the slight difference in whats shown on screen. I like the red line and the way shop savvy works, but the other one has the little box that, and this is key, tells you when it sees something scannable (so you know its actually working). This wouldn&#039;t really matter of course if the app scanned fast enough, but what with the state of the 3g camera I&#039;m not expecting blindingly fast scans or anything. But I look forward to new and improved versions of shopsavvy, I love that you guys are adopting (or trying to, allowing for the vagueries of the apple approval process) a quick release cycle, can&#039;t wait for 1.2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! I love shop savvy, the price, the interface, and the potential, so its good to hear the the scanning speed is going to be improved. I&#8217;d been using that particular &#8220;other scanner&#8221; since it came out for the jailbreak community, and was disappointed to see it wasn&#8217;t free. Sadly for me as well (and I think there&#8217;s a consensus in the appstore reviews on this), Shopsavvy doesn&#8217;t seem to scan things nearly as well as the other one. I think part of it is the slight difference in whats shown on screen. I like the red line and the way shop savvy works, but the other one has the little box that, and this is key, tells you when it sees something scannable (so you know its actually working). This wouldn&#8217;t really matter of course if the app scanned fast enough, but what with the state of the 3g camera I&#8217;m not expecting blindingly fast scans or anything. But I look forward to new and improved versions of shopsavvy, I love that you guys are adopting (or trying to, allowing for the vagueries of the apple approval process) a quick release cycle, can&#8217;t wait for 1.2</p>
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		<title>By: amuse</title>
		<link>http://shopsavvy.mobi/2009/11/25/scanning-head-to-head/#comment-2356</link>
		<dc:creator>amuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) It was a private message.  We only claim a trademark on ShopSavvy.  The good news is that ShopSavvy has surpassed the &#039;other&#039; one in downloads by a wide margin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://shopsavvy.mobi/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It was a private message.  We only claim a trademark on ShopSavvy.  The good news is that ShopSavvy has surpassed the &#8216;other&#8217; one in downloads by a wide margin.</p>
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		<title>By: EnTerr</title>
		<link>http://shopsavvy.mobi/2009/11/25/scanning-head-to-head/#comment-2355</link>
		<dc:creator>EnTerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, what do you mean by &quot;the other scanner&quot;?
There are at least 2 other well-known barcode scanner applications for iPhone - one free and one paid one (the latter is the 2nd top grossing application in AppStore for over a month - to my surprise , since i expected SS release to dent its popularity).

Also what trademark you think of claiming? I checked at uspto.gov and you had registered &quot;ShopSavvy&quot; as trademark - and using that in appstore does not find anything but your application. You can&#039;t be serious claiming trademark on &quot;savvy&quot; - there are lots of applications comming on that search.

ps. and why doesn&#039;t your website claim (tm) anywhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, what do you mean by &#8220;the other scanner&#8221;?<br />
There are at least 2 other well-known barcode scanner applications for iPhone &#8211; one free and one paid one (the latter is the 2nd top grossing application in AppStore for over a month &#8211; to my surprise , since i expected SS release to dent its popularity).</p>
<p>Also what trademark you think of claiming? I checked at uspto.gov and you had registered &#8220;ShopSavvy&#8221; as trademark &#8211; and using that in appstore does not find anything but your application. You can&#8217;t be serious claiming trademark on &#8220;savvy&#8221; &#8211; there are lots of applications comming on that search.</p>
<p>ps. and why doesn&#8217;t your website claim &#8482; anywhere?</p>
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